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Poster: BornEasement Date: Mar 8, 2010 10:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: more on the dead and nietzsche

Dionysian perhaps, but also Apollonian. Look at the lyrics to Terrapin: "Inspiration, move me brightly. LIGHT the song with SENSE and color, hold away despair." Light? Sense? These are the characteristic qualities of Apollo, as is the "muse" who moves the speaker in that song like an oracle. The complex ordering of keys and interlocking rhythms in which the dead operate can only be unlocked and appreciated in their fullness by CLOSE, intimate listening, a far cry from the intoxicated noodle dancing of some folk's concert experience. I maintain that there is an implicit order (imagined forth rather than reasoned perhaps, but an order nonetheless) to Dead jams which makes them so much more compelling than, say, the wild disjointed noodling of lesser jam bands. The American music history review and invocation of the song-based portion of their sets also must be derived from careful study and practice rather than instantaneous, drunken revelry. No doubt, this band lives in the moment. But they seek truth in that moment like perhaps no other rock artists before or since. Consider this Jerry quote:

"Truth is something you stumble into when you think you're going someplace else, like those moments when you're playing and the whole room becomes one being -- precious moments, man."

Grateful Dead and Nietzsche? How about Grateful Dead and Plotinus?

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Mar 8, 2010 11:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: more on the dead and nietzsche

"a far cry from the intoxicated noodle dancing of some folk's concert experience"

I agree with all you say except for this statement.

Now I'm sure there is mindless noodle dancing, but I know there are a large number of people out there, myself and my friends included, who take dancing seriously.

When I dance I enter into trance and I am the music. I am the living, expressive, dancing form of the music. The people around me are also the music manifest in movement. Together, the dancers rhythms overlap and mirror the complexity of the music producing the movements.

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Poster: BornEasement Date: Mar 8, 2010 12:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: more on the dead and nietzsche

Point conceded. Mindless was the wrong word; the intoxicating qualities of music (particularly the dead) are as fundamental to its enjoyment as the intellectual. And dancing IS the supreme way to let music "take control." Thanks for the correction.

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Mar 8, 2010 1:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: more on the dead and nietzsche

When listening in a home setting, I often listen deeply to interplay of the instruments, pushing and pulling at the melody and rhythm. I find this especially pleasing with a nice pair of headphones (I just got the entry-level SHURE RH240 $50). Nothing like a really nice Terrapin unfolding into your stoned ears late in the evening...

The tapestry woven by the song selections during the show is like a ever-evolving story, that builds a certain emotional tone as songs are performed after one another. That is probably the reason why I love listening to the Grateful Dead so much... the flow between moods on some shows is just right. The contrast of a lilting Cryptical reprise jam with the sheer power of an Other One, is another great example of this type of effect.

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Poster: AshesRising Date: Mar 9, 2010 2:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: more on the dead and nietzsche

deadpolitics: great post ...."tapestry" captures it on so many levels. Hey, thanks for the tip on the headphones --- just ordered a pair.

The music plays the band,
--- AshesRising

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Mar 9, 2010 4:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: more on the dead and nietzsche

Just to clarify, it does not take 3 months to "burn in" a pair of phones...

They definitely provide an enjoyable listen straight out of the box, but the mix of high/mid/low will balance out after ~100 hours of listening. It is not drastic, but a subtle and positive change.

They only get better with time :)

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Mar 9, 2010 3:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: more on the dead and nietzsche

Glad to contribute positively, my friend :)

The headphones will have a "burn-in" period, meaning that they will get "broken in" after so many hours of listening. I find the lows to be more accentuated now after ~3 months, the highs to be more precise, and the mids just bloom and bloom. ENJOY!

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Poster: GennyBenni Date: Mar 8, 2010 1:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: more on the dead and nietzsche

TOTALLY agreed, you bring up a fantastic point. In some ways, the Dead embodied the Apollonian just as fully; their transitions between straight-up songs and jamming is kind of like the interplay between Apollonian and Dionysian that Nietzsche gets at throughout the work.

Thanks everybody for taking me semi-seriously; I posted this with some hesitation, because I'm wary of this kind of analysis, especially of something I love so deeply.